![]() So there’s the instrumentation for Java, or for. We have SIG, special interest groups, and those maintain the different parts of it. At the lowest level… lowest might not be the right word, but that’s the most project-oriented level. So OpenTelemetry is divided into many different groups. Mitch Ashley: So you’re on the governance committee, governance board, right? In this case, it’s almost exclusively, across the industry, been no. ![]() Mitch Ashley: When you can pick a domain where you say, “Is that really where we want to differentiate supporting another agent or another environment?” It’s been a very honestly positive success story all around. No one’s commercial interests are really threatened by it, and it really just has helped everyone. I think OpenTelemetry has really shown everybody the way, and it’s been lovely in that the project has been so collaborative, both between the end users and all the vendors in this space, because it’s scoped just on data extraction, data collection from infrastructure and services. Net, but not maybe Python or something else. That’s where OpenTelemetry… their success is being very clear, not only for end users, the people who want deep visibility in their own services, where they want to use OpenTelemetry, export the data, but even the vendors who had existing offerings, or components of their offerings, and their agents have very rapidly adopted OpenTelemetry, because it’s almost impossible to go it alone. No one company was ever going to be able to provide that, let alone maintain it, even if they built it in the first place. There’s hundreds of thousands of these integration points that people need. So to contrast with, say, logging, or even system metrics, where you generally have integrations with Windows and Linux and maybe a handful of third-party apps that people run to do distributed tracing for APM, you need integrations with every language runtime and every single client library that people use on those runtimes. Particularly in APM, because for APM, you require integrations of actual applications. And if you go back in time to that era, before OpenTelemetry got big, you had these established vendors in the space. We do that, too, on our own stuff, but this is more valuable, for all of us to do the same thing.” Mitch Ashley: I think it’s a model, at least one model for open-source success, when the contributors will also say, “Okay. That a project just focused on data extraction could become on the same order of magnitude, as big in terms of contributions and code, as something like Kubernetes, this compute platform that powers billions of dollars of industry every month… it’s quite incredible, and it’s certainly been really exciting to be part of it. Morgan McLean: If you had told me then that within a year of announcing Open Telemetry, it’d be the second most active project in the CNCF, so the second-highest number of monthly developers, I would’ve assumed you were lying. Mitch Ashley: So, rolling back history a little bit, what did you think was possible? What were you hoping for with OpenTelemetry when you were first starting out? I imagine it wasn’t like, oh, we’re going to have all these technology vendors contributing. And yet, in some ways, today, kind of a small deal, because OpenTelemetry is so ubiquitous and so successful. But OpenTelemetry so rapidly dwarfed them in terms of market penetration and success and features and everything else that the fact that they were deprecated relatively recently is interesting in the context of 2019 and the announcement of fulfillment of our original vision. At the time, we thought OpenCensus and OpenTracing were relatively big and successful. Mitch Ashley: That’s a huge, huge effort. To get to the point where it’s been deprecated… Mitch Ashley: And to make that announcement is one thing. Mitch Ashley: It’s amazing that it’s been that long, because I remember reading about, oh, OpenTracing is now part of… Those are both deprecated now, and so really, I’ve been working on open-source solutions in this space since around 2016, 2017. OpenTelemetry was formed by the merger of two pre-existing open-source projects: OpenCensus and OpenTracing. I’ve been with the project, by definition, since its beginning, since 2019 when we announced it. Morgan McLean: Yeah, so I’m one of the co-founders of OpenTelemetry. Mitch Ashley: And we’re talking about some Splunk, but really talking about one of the roles that you have with the CNCF with OpenTelemetry.
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